Showing posts with label panel removal. Show all posts
Showing posts with label panel removal. Show all posts

Friday, June 10, 2016

Porsche 991 Interior Trim: Fuse Panel Trim Removal

UPDATE:  Adding pictures and some additional description of the parts and how they connect to the car...  Many thanks to Rennlist member RoWa for the additional material!

Trying to help-out a fellow 991 owner...  I was asked about how the footwell trim piece that surrounds the fuse panel attaches.  Apparently the owner has a loose trim piece and although can feel that there is a connection point loose, isn't sure how to repair.

Here is a parts diagram showing the parts:


In particular, we are focused on parts identified in this diagram as #'s 5, 6, 7, and 8.

Part #'s and descriptions  (always check your part #'s with your service dept or someplace online like SunCoast, as I've now seen couple of different #'s for the following):

(5) 991 555 101 01  Lining Fusebox (you need to add your color code for interior color, which for example in my case is black, or A75)

(6) 999 507 533 02 Clamp
(7) 999 507 533 01 Spring Clamp

(8)  991 555 622 02 Lid Lining Fusebox
Again, for each of the colored parts you will need to indicate your interior color code.  Additionally, in this case there are both Right and Left-side parts, so you'll also need to indicate /R  /L with part # as they don't have separate #'s.

Thanks to Rennlist member RoWa, we now know that in fact the trim panel surrounding the fuse box is secured to the car with a number of small tabs and velcro.  Per RoWa....
"The left side has fairly standard trim mounts. The right side is secured with 2 two-sided velcro-like fastners. One side of the velco fastner is mounted on the frame of the car, the other side, mounted on a circular plastic disc, is attached to the fuse panel trim. These discs, mounted on the fuse panel trim, are removable from it - they just pop off."
Following are some pics RoWa provides to help understand how the part attaches.  NOTE that in this case all parts are from the driver's-side footwell panel.  Referring to right vs left side of part means closer to door vs closer to footrest.  Assume on right-hand side of car the part is simply reversed.
Entire trim piece with door attached  viewed from behind, noting connection points on both sides.
Closer look at the "left-side" connectors w/velcro.

So in the case where the (5) trim lining the fusebox appears "loose" or has come-off, you'll want to focus on the connection points indicated above.


Monday, January 5, 2015

Porsche 991 Underbody Panels....

Needed to gain access to the area just above the underbody panels on my 911 front end (don't ask me why!) yesterday, and thought I'd share with y'all my experience.  First, if you may ever have a similar need, know that the procedure is really quite simple!

For those who have never seen the underside of a modern 911, a brief description of just what I am talking about in this post....  If you were to flip a 911 over onto its' roof, you'd find that the underside or "belly" of the 911 is almost entirely covered by smooth black panels.  You would see very little of any mechanical bits at all the entire length of the car, with just a few glimpses near the far rear and nose of the car.  The panels have been included on 911's for some years now, with the objective being more aerodynamics than anything else.  Most that I've seen have channels and other features to smooth air movement under the car at speed.

Here's an example - albeit from a scale model of a 911 GT2:
(not sure of where this pic came from - found it on web)

Panels such as these are common on supercars and race cars.  The purpose is to enhance the aerodynamics of the car at especially higher speeds.

But, back to my own car...  So, I had need to gain access to the space directly above the forward or front underbody panel on my '14 911 Carrera 4S.

You should have the following tools handy:
  • Ramps / Floor Jack / Lift
  • Wheel blocks
  • T20 male bit
  • 11mm deep-socket and ratcheting wrench
  • Vacuum (!)
Here's a copy of the underbody panel diagram from the PET 991 catalog:
I was only interested in the Front panel, labeled "1" in the PET diagram.  From what I can tell all of the panels are secured to the car in the same way, and in certain spots overlap.  So the experience I share here of removing the front panel should apply for the other panels as well!

On the front panel, the diagram above indicates fastener locations - If I recall correctly there are 10 Torx screws and 2 11mm nuts holding the panel up to the car.

So I set out to remove the panel....

First, I ran the front of the car up on my Rhino Ramps.  If you can get the car up higher, great.  You will need to reach a number of fasteners to release the panel, and on ramps I found the maneuvering space to be tighter than I would have liked.  I also blocked the wheels once the car was on the ramps, and also put a jack stand on the sides just in case the car moved while I was underneath.

Here's a pic I took when first getting the car into position:

I took the shot while lying on the ground under the nose of the car, looking to the rear.  Lighting was poor, flash only bounced off the metal area just in front of the panels....

My first impression was "wow."  For being on the underside of a daily driver, in the NE where we get all sorts of poor weather and road conditions, I was surprised by how these panels looked.  The material is some type of "felt" over pressed board, or maybe even some kind of plastic.  Very rigid, stiff, but feels to me like felt paper used in roofing or laying floors.  No stains of any kind, and just a couple of very small marks from objects deflecting off the surface.  The only visible sign of use was the dirt stuck to the surface, and road grit.

I tapped on the middle of the front panel, and could hear all sort of noise like gravel in a plastic cup.  As I looked at the surface, I could see several openings that allow air to pass through, and I imagine those holes act as funnels to scoop road debris and other stuff up from the road.  So I expected that upon removal of the panel, I would find a lot of dirt....

So I set about removing the connectors.  Not hard at all to find, and very simple to release.  I used the PET diagram as a guide before I went under the car, so knew where to look.

In the following pics I've circled some of the fastening points.  Nearly all are Torx - with the exception of two 11mm nuts along the rear edge of the panel that you can remove with a deep socket.

The front panel has a leading-edge that is inserted into a recessed area to hold it in place, remember that when re-installing!  It's hard to see in the pictures I took, but here is a shot that shows the panel installed -- I've also pointed-out one of the Torx screws that you will have to remove.

And here is a shot of one of the Torx screws removed from the panel.  They came out fairly easily.  I used a ratcheting screwdriver and had each one out quickly.

After you remove all of the screws, the panel doesn't just fall off.  I had to work the front edge out a bit, and then pull the panel down from the rear over the two studs where the 11mm nuts held it in place.  Just in case, I had placed a few pint paint cans stacked under the panel so that it wouldn't just fall onto my head -- and boy an I glad I did that!

I don't have any pictures of just how dirty the "insides" were, but man, the panel was holding a TON of small gravel and other dirt that had made it's way up onto the panel through the airflow holes (you can see a few of the openings in the pictures above).  My clean garage floor was just covered with the stuff when it fell out!  I carefully pulled the panel out from under the car, and took it out in the yard to dump the stone and dirt collection.  If the weather were warmer, I probably would have hosed it off too, but since it was only about 40 degrees out I simply took a stiff brush and removed as much of the stuff as possible.

Re-installing the panel was a breeze -- you just need something to hold the panel up close to the screw holes from below, or a friend to hold it while you start one of the screws.   Oh, and push the front-edge into place first, as it needs to insert into place before the other holes line-up.  Then just remember to put all screws back in, and tighten-down!

So that's it!  The panels are nice, the seams between panels fit together snugly, and the material is seemingly indestructible.  I didn't have any fear of bending the panel, breaking off any tabs (there are none!) or other connectors we typically find in other parts of the car....  So you shouldn't have any fear of removing the panels.